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Caletafuerteventura
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Ayuntamiento de Antigua Councillor, Debbie Edgington, will be holding the next Citizen's Participation Meeting in the Caleta de Fuste Cultural Centre on Thursday 22nd February at 7pm, and it will be conducted in English.  NOTE the new time of seven o'clock. 

Unfortunately I won't be able to attend as I will be working, so if anyone can go, and report back on here, then it would be appreciated.

February 13, 2018 at 4:08 AM Flag Quote & Reply

Windermeregolfer
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Thanks for update Steve, sorry I can't go as we have folks over from Windermere arriving that day and we are going out with them that evening.
February 13, 2018 at 7:03 AM Flag Quote & Reply

TrickyFox
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We'll be going Steve. It is the first anniversary of our arrival on the island. Will go out for a meal after.

February 13, 2018 at 9:52 AM Flag Quote & Reply

Caletafuerteventura
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Thanks, Ian.  Have a nice meal and congratulations on your 1st year on the island.

February 19, 2018 at 7:18 AM Flag Quote & Reply

Deso
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TrickyFox at February 13, 2018 at 9:52 AM

We'll be going Steve. It is the first anniversary of our arrival on the island. Will go out for a meal after.

Happy 1st Anniversary, that certainly seemed to go quick.  :D 8)

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February 22, 2018 at 4:15 AM Flag Quote & Reply

Deso
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Any news on this?

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February 24, 2018 at 7:54 AM Flag Quote & Reply

Jill
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Here you go.....

Citizens’ Participation Meeting

Thursday 23rd February 2018
Cultural Center Caleta de Fuste 


1. Changes within Local Council

Debbie reported on recent changes in her party. She first explained that when a councillor is elected they receive an “act”. If a councillor steps down they are supposed to return the act and the party member who had the next highest number of votes takes their place on the council. Recently a member of the ruling party defected and took his act with him, leaving the ruling party in a minority and with the possibility of being locked out. However, the Mayor invited the smallest of the other parties to join in a coalition, which saved their party, allowing them to stay in office until the next election in 2019.

 

2. New Companies – Rubbish Collections 

This is still going on, but at long last is finally in it’s last stages. They have now to split the task into two contracts, household waste and street cleaning etc., although the same company may well win both contracts. The hotels and businesses rubbish collection is a totally separate issue altogether. 

Debbie reported that they are extremely understaffed in ALL departments, but they are not allowed to hire more staff. She reported that there was 18 million euros in the bank, but due to Bureaucracy they couldn’t touch it!

Debbie stated that it was increasingly difficult to get any information from any of the other departments, as they simply close ranks as they are looking to the next elections. Being British does not seem to help her and they do not understand why she wants to know, as she is responsible for tourism. 


3. Changes between Council Areas 

The recent changes within the council has meant that Debbie’s job has changed slightly, and she is no longer allowed to organise any festivities, although they are allowing her to carry on organising the beach party for this year. She has been told that if local businesses get together to organise things, then she can collaborate everything. 

Debbie stated that the tourist kiosk is closed, but she is trying to get it open again, but she just doesn’t have the freedom to operate any more as she used to. She thinks that might possibly be due to the fact that she will not be allowed to re-stand in 2019, after Brexit. 


4. Electric Scooters 

Things on the issue of scooters are beginning to look up, as the Mayor raised the subject himself at their last meeting. Previously, Debbie has always had to raise it, but apparently the Mayor has been receiving so many complaints, and there have been so many accidents, that it has goaded him into taking action. 

The councillors are divided. Some believe there should be a total ban on them, while others don’t. Another option has been proposed, that they only allow them on guided tours, and individuals will be banned. 

A meeting is being held on Tuesday morning, when a decision will be made

4a. Funerals 

Debbie said that since December she has had the unfortunate job of trying to raise money for three funerals. She stated that the Council can cover the cost of funerals. However, they instigate a very thorough investigation, which is extremely personal and intrusive, in order to ensure that there is no family available to pay for it. The investigation can take months, and during this time the body will remain in the morgue. She mentioned one gentleman who died and has been in the morgue for many months, as they can find no family. There is no guarantee that the council will pay for a funeral, but on the occasions they do agree to pay they will only do an internment, and cremation is not allowed. 

With internment the coffin is placed in a wall, which then has a slab concreted over the entrance. This has to have witnesses. If the place for the coffin is towards the top of the wall, witnesses often have to help raising the coffin high enough. Internment is only for 5 years. After that time the family have to decide what to do – whether they wish to pay for another 5 years, or for cremation. 

Debbie said she couldn’t stress enough that everybody should have a policy in order to cover the cost of cremation and funeral charges. 

5. Questions and Queries 


(1) A question was raised concerning businesses using the community bins. Debbie stated that they were not allowed to do this. However, if making an official complaint you need to provide proof. Photographs are the best way to prove it. 

(2) Somebody asked about the new building on the opposite corner, and mentioned that they had heard it was going to be a medical centre. Somebody else said they had heard it was to be a new police station. Debbie confirmed that it was in fact just a shopping centre, but there were negotiations going on to build a new police station and tourist office on the land opposite the Chinese shop; although she said this seems to be pointless as they won't be able to staff it! 

(3) A question was raised about the sewerage plant at Puerto Sol. It was confirmed that this was owned by Barcelo and had in fact been closed down. 

(4) The beach situation is no further forward. The mayor has invited those responsible to come here, but they are still waiting for a response. 

(5) The question regarding holiday lettings was raised. Debbie reported that it has moved on a bit. She confirmed that the ayunmiento were still issuing letting licenses. The new law will only effect the Canary Islands. The current plan is that it will now allow a license for anywhere in a tourist area, but areas that are part residential and part tourist are a problem. 

It was confirmed you have had to register your guests with the police since 1995, when it was made law. This is so that they can basically keep track of visitors to the island. It was also confirmed that if you are currently letting out your property to holiday makers then you must register with the ayunmiento, otherwise you are illegal. You do not have to register for long-term lettings. Long-term definition is a minimum of 3 months plus 1 day. 

Concern was also raised that the properties that are let illegally would not be covered by insurance, so there would be problems if something were to happen. 

If you know somebody who is illegally letting their property out, either with no license or not registering their guests with the police, you can denounce them. 

(6) Debbie confirmed that at the moment she will not be allowed to re-stand in 2019, as the law states that only EU citizens may stand for council. She told us that she has lived here for 24 years, and her son was born here. However, she has not been able to get citizenship, nor has her son. Her son currently represents the island for Judo, but after Brexit he will not be allowed to, even though he was born here.

 

Next meeting will be Thursday 26th April 2018


February 24, 2018 at 10:55 AM Flag Quote & Reply

Caletafuerteventura
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Thanks very much, Jill.  A comprehensive report that keeps us up to date.

Hopefully there will be some further news, especially about the scooters, after the Council meeting.  They should also be setting the year's budget and plans for the next improvements.

February 24, 2018 at 12:24 PM Flag Quote & Reply

Deso
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Thank you jill for the update, all running smoothly as usual.  :D

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February 24, 2018 at 1:58 PM Flag Quote & Reply

Can the Man
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Thank you Jill for a very comprehensive report.

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February 25, 2018 at 5:28 PM Flag Quote & Reply

Martin Holt
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Excellent report Jill Thank you. Btw has anyone seen or heard about an anti scooter petition that's supposed to be doing the rounds in Caleta?
February 26, 2018 at 4:22 AM Flag Quote & Reply

Perrypower1
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Thank you Jill,

best regards,

Yvonne & Perry

February 27, 2018 at 4:19 AM Flag Quote & Reply

Windermeregolfer
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Thanks Jill for the update appreciated, hope your 1st anniversary celebration dinner after went well.
February 27, 2018 at 4:30 AM Flag Quote & Reply

Deso
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Anything on the grapevine about Tuesdays scooter meeting?

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March 2, 2018 at 6:12 AM Flag Quote & Reply

Caletafuerteventura
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I'm waiting for the minutes of the meeting to be put on the Ayuntamiento website.

The press reported that the budget was approved.  The biggest controversy of the past couple of weeks was also sorted out. 10,000 euros was being given to a Councillor to represent Spain at a sea fishing competition in Costa Rica!  After a lot of protests from the opposition and the public etc, he decided not to accept it and the money has gone into the general sports budget.

It all came to light after the Mayor lost his majority in the council, and a new coalition was formed with two candidates who had previously been in opposition.  One of the candidates was the one who was being given the 10,000!  Was it bribery or a coincidence?

March 2, 2018 at 7:33 AM Flag Quote & Reply

Deso
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Thans for the info Steve. As a matter of interest, where do you find the minutes of meetings on their site?

Ahh, Spanish politicians. And people say the Eurocrats are corrupt!    :D

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March 2, 2018 at 9:33 AM Flag Quote & Reply

Caletafuerteventura
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The minutes will appear here: http://www.ayto-antigua.es/ayuntamiento/actas-del-pleno

March 2, 2018 at 9:52 AM Flag Quote & Reply

Deso
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Gracias  :)

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March 2, 2018 at 10:46 AM Flag Quote & Reply

Caletafuerteventura
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There's still no minutes of the council meeting on their website.

March 9, 2018 at 3:30 PM Flag Quote & Reply

Caletafuerteventura
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The minutes of the council meeting are on the website.  There's a lot of information and it's all in legal language and so is difficult to understand.

March 21, 2018 at 6:55 AM Flag Quote & Reply

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